PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AGAINST ISLAM

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The amendment was first proposed by Pedestrian Infidel in March of '07. It was not receiving much attention. Now someone has posted it on LiveLeak, and it is drawing some comments. Snooper linked to the LiveLeak post at www.anewtone.com The Jawa Report also covered it. This could be a very beneficial break through. The Outlaw Islam! petition still languishes with only 38 endorsements. Don't just sign and forget it; spread it! Copy it and paste it into an email; send it to everyone in your address book with an exhortation to forward it.
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Thanks for the info. Was wondering where it originated from
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Bravo!!! I am signing the petition.
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I am with you Hans; however I fear the American is not convinced Mohammedanism is more a political ideology than a religion. I am going to seek out and sign this petition; however I am fairly certain (at this point) that the lack Jihad education in America will find this Amendment repugnant.

A grassroots movement in America needs to be started (something like Gabriel's - Act! For America - has began) to spread the word about the ideology of Mohammedanism as opposed to the religious practice of Mohammedanism.

I think a better possibility to enact an Amendment to the Constitution declaring America a nation with a Judeo-Christian heritage without establishing any particular Jewish sect (Orthodox, Conservative or ) or Christian Denomination (Variations of Protestantism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox etc.) as a State religion.

This would simultaneously deal with Secular Humanism war on Christianity and radical Islam.

O yes, I hope you don't mind. I am going to cross your post on a couple of my blogs.

Ben I went there to sign the petition and there is a big muslim ad right in the center of the signatures. What a crock.

Petition On Line needs a way to cover expenses, so they sell context sensitive advertising. That is beyond my control; I just ignore it.

Spread it around :)

Its an uphill fight to be sure. But when has it been any other way when the antion had to fight for its survival. The idea of separating muslims from western culture (by law or force if necessary) as utterly irreconcilable with and fatally hostile to our way of life, is a strong idea thats not going away. Its poping up all over the place on the net.

Check out some of Lawrence Auster's writings as well as VDare and Inverted World.

Thanks for the links!

The best part about this proposed Constitutional Amendment is that out of a population of 300 million people, only 48 people have signed the petition. I guess I can safely say, "Not in my lifetime"

Good luck with it.

No silly me won't be signing it.

Oh I would have left this comment at Humbled Infidel's post too, but unfortunately my right to free speech has been blocked over there.

Your right to free hate speech has been denied?!!!! boo hoo hoo.
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Our local Jihad researcher has written a piece ya'll might be interested in along the lines of this Amendment.

Amendment 28

http://www.anewtone.com/2008/04/amendment-28_25.html

I'm with you on the deportation of all Muslims. But, as you said, it's a good document for moving the conversation along.

If possible, I'd love to cross-post the Article 28 article on Westernfront America - with all the proper links to the original of course.

Ok its not a tsunami yet, but I have a feeling that the Cult - oops - Religion of Peace is likely to help things along over the next few years. 'Not in my lifetime' may be a bit premature unless Muslims suddenly en mass catch a severe case of sanity - we can hope (Barak hasnt copyrighted that word has he ?).

As to Humble Infidel - your freedom of speech ends where his right to free association begins :). It's HI's space - you have all of everywhere else - including here - to freely practice speech.

Later :) Hans

Gday Twana

I am afraid I do not see this type of action as a solution to unifying or making a country such as America safer. Actions such as these would just make Muslims in other countries even more hostile to America and rightfully so.

Also this type of action would obviously make the peace loving American Muslims feel totally alienated and righteously angry, which would lead to more violence in your country.

My experience with Muslims has been positive. I have written a post in response to this petition, “Reuniting the Children of Abraham” and in the past I have written a number of posts portraying Muslims in a justifiably favourable light: “The unheard voices of Islam” and “Yeh Hum Naheen – This is not us”

I am well aware that there are Muslims who are behaving violently, but I do not agree with the overall negative portrayal of Muslims that this petition is indicating.

That previous comment was actually addressed to everyone here. I had left an identical comment at Humbled Infidel's post which was similar to this one, I didn't realise I still had left Twana's name on the comment when i copied it here.
If it werent for the FACT that Islam intents to conquer the world we would not be having this conversation. And the treat of more violence to stop us from protecting ourselves is just more of some old same old. Islam can only be an enemy to all and any who stand for freedom, liberty, self determination and the sanctity of the individual.
Go for it Hans...
The negative & violent description of Islam comes direct from its own canon of scripture, tradition and jurisprudence. CSPI informs us that 270,000,000 have fallen to the sword of Islam since 624. How many more have suffered the torment of Dhimmitude? How many have been castrated, chained and sold into slavery? One is too many!!!

I did not invent "fight them until" or "Make war upon"; Moe did. Who urged the Muslims to fight? Who cursed any who would turn from Jihad to agriculture as a way of life?

Muslims might be offended? Goddamn big deal!!! I am offended, pissed off, outraged and moved to extreme execration by the constant stream of threats and attacks flowing from Islam over the last 1384 years and particularly by the wanton murder of 3000 of my countrymen a few years ago, not to mention the destruction of my own economic prospects. Islam can go to Hell, and I am here to serve as Usher.


As an American I believe the actions as set out by this petition and also a further proposal indicating that Muslims should be deported, is totally deplorable.

Where do you propose they be deported to, given many were born here?

What exactly have American Muslims done to deserve this type of treatment?

Luckily your voices are lost in the wilderness.

Your actions are increasing hatred and not reducing it. Your actions are becoming part of the growing problem of hatred throughout the world. Do not call your religion one of love if this is how you behave. Thankfully your behavior is not the majority view of Christianity.

Shame on all of you.



Any Muslim willing to renounce this vile pedophilic death cult (its not a religion) that consumes all it touches, and become a civilized human being is as welcome as anyone who whishes to become an American (first). The Constitution is not a suicide pack.
Amen Ben and Hans. The truth looks to be painful to some. We did not make up these truths. As Ben said, these are Moes words. Also, has everyone considered that Mohammad was even afraid of these "given revelations" to him. He thought they were from a satanic force and his rich wife told him they were from God.

The problem is, these are the words that are followed by Islam. And more have been added. Moe was a murderer, pedophile, etc. Those that follow this teaching for whatever reason, are agreeing with it.
All I see here is hatred being spread through propaganda, and I despair for the human race.
I/we don't hate these people - what an utter waste of time and energy - and usually gets in the way of seeing things clearly. And I see very clearly what Islam is up to.
Where do you propose they be deported to, given many were born here?
Any Islamic satrapy of their choice.

What exactly have American Muslims done to deserve this type of treatment?
Adherence to the damnable doctrines of Islam enshrined in Al-Anfal, Al-Taubah, Al-Ahzab & As-Saff. and exemplified in Moe's sunnah, particularly Bukhari's Jihad, Khumus & Expedition.

Luckily your voices are lost in the wilderness.
Your luck is running out. A growing number of Americans are becoming informed and activated. There is a Terrorism/Jihad Caucus in our Congress with more than 100 members. Videos, blogs and books detailing Islamic doctrine & history are multiplying rapidly and receiving large audiences.

Your actions are increasing hatred and not reducing it.
That claim fits Islamic actions. We have not taken actions, we have only used words. PanAm 103, WTC1, OKC, WTC2, London, Madrid & Beslan generate hatred of what Islam is and does.

Your actions are becoming part of the growing problem of hatred throughout the world.
The hatred is Allah's: his hatred of Kuffar expressed in 8:39, 8:67, 9:29- 35 & 47:4.

Do not call your religion one of love if this is how you behave.
Jesus taught love and persuasion, not warfare. He neither commanded nor exemplified conquest, genocide nor terrorism. Moe did! We are willing to live in peace with all mankind; Islam demands submission obtained by intimidation & violent attack. My writings, including my on line petitions reflect fact & logic, not religion.

Thankfully your behavior is not the majority view of Christianity. Shame on all of you.
The majority view of Islam is clear on the face of 1384 years of history, a trail of blood, bones & tears stretching from one end of the earth to the other. What Islam is & does is clearly evident on the face of its texts and the face of the globe. How shameful it is to declare a murdering pedophile rapist & lecher the greatest and bes of men; to revere him as a role model and emulate his barbarian conduct.

Look, one more time, its really quite simple - sorry if you just can't get it -

A) It is NOT about hating - thats your personal projection - has nothing to do with anything - its has nothing to do with emotions - (except revultion maybe).

B) Islam seeks to conquer the world - one way or another.

C) It IS about SURVIVAL.

D) I/We will not submit. In in so doing will also save your ass along the way.

---Your welcome :)

Hatred is enshrined in Allah's commands and Moe's exemplification of obedience to them. It is spread by Barbarian violence which results in dispossession, displacement, despair, death & dhimmitude on a global scope and scale. Every Muslim, once a Kuffar converted at swordpoint, spread hatred by the reproductive act; his progeny carried with them the most damnable doctrines inculcated in the Mosque.

Want to know what commandments I write of? Then seek out my blog post titled ROPMA, wherein I list the titles of several of Ibn Kathir's Tafsir topics, each linked to the contents at www.tafsir.com.

The Command for Jihad against the Disbelievers and the HypocritesThe Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are foundThe Command to strike the Enemies’ Necks, tighten Their Bonds, and then free Them either by an Act of Grace or for a RansomThe Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the JizyahThe Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest AreasThe Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and KufrThe Order to fight until there is no more FitnahThe Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers and HypocritesThose Tafsir combine the ayat with related ayat & relevant ahadith in a way that makes Allah's commandments crystal clear. Who knew their meaning better than he who recited them? What did he do in obedience to them? He said "I am commanded to fight", and he fought Kuffar, with barbaric terrorism & genocide. That is Islam. That is hatred, greed, pride & lust in action. Death & damnation be upon it and upon its founder and the demon he worshiped!!!

I would like to ask a few questions if I may.

I have a fair idea of where Ben stands in regards to Islam, although I do not agree with everything he has said, I do at least admire his honesty.

I am wondering just exactly how far you all agree with him?

I asked a question over at JudgeBob's blog (Bob if you read this I will get back to you in regards to your comments).

My question was:

"Tell me why are we over in Iraq helping a nation of terrible evil people? Why don't we just blow them back to the stone age if that is how bad they are? So in Iraq with a population of about 25 million people only 750, 000 are good people. Not quite how the article at Humbled indicated the situation is."

Ben's answer was:

We invaded Iraq because the damn fool traitor we elected President 8 years ago
has been bought off by the Saudis just as his father was and Clinton between them. Shrub engages in a maundering fabulism, asserting that Islam is compatible with liberty & democracy when it is plainly inimical to both. An Islamic regime will be an evil warmonger no matter what its internal structure, whether feudal, inherited monarchy or elected.

The installation of quasi democratic constitutions and parliamentary systems in Afghanistan & Iraq is a fool's errand of the worst sort, a total waste of lives & treasure. We sent invasion forces where Nukes were required. The stated strategic objective is impossible to obtain.
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Because Islam is pure, unmitigated evil, there is no such thing as a "good Muslim".

So it seems Ben is saying we shouldn't have gone over there in the first place and yes we should have blown them all back to the stone age - Ben please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

I am actually wondering if anyone else is prepared to weigh in with their opinions?

I am wondering because in the past a few of you have said the following:

Person 1:"He has worked alongside these same people, fought to protect these people, and has felt the loss of these people, along with the loss of his fellow comrades in this war. He is a hero, and so is every other soldier who is serving, has served, or will serve. The unborn are human, and deserving of our protection, much like the innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan that we are fighting to liberate."

Person 2: "Many find it honorable to protect life whether it be an unborn baby, and Iraqi or Afghani. Only heartless and self centered people think others are not worth protecting."

Person 3: "The work of our soldiers in Islamic countries is for the citizens of those countries. They have lived under tyranny for centuries and those tyrants are trying to bring their tyranny to the rest of the world. That's why we are there, that's why George said we need to be there, not just WMD's."

Now before anyone jumps down my throat and says I don't care about the Iraqi people, I do as that should be obvious given I have come to the defense of some Muslims. I also respect and admire our troops. So don't get tangled in side issues please.

I am getting mixed messages, so I was hoping for a bit of clarification please.

Ben says there are NO good Muslims and they should have been nuked.

Some of you are also saying there are no good Muslims on this post, but elsewhere you are saying we are over in the Middle East to help them because they are worth protecting. Or since you said those things is there now a new condition in helping the people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is they must renounce their religion of Islam?

Is anyone prepared to share?




Your right to free hate speech has been denied?!!!! boo hoo hoo.

To the first part of your comment. Yes guilty as charged if hate speech is now defined as, "Politely disagreeing with an opinion, agreeing with two previous comments left on a post and then providing links to two Youtube videos explaining why I preferred Obama."

Next part of your comment. Let me see how do I respond to "boo hoo hoo". Oh please don't cry you will get over it, I know I have.

Enjoy your night.

Michael

Anyway thank you everyone for the eye opening revelations, it has certainly been a very insightful experience. I have learned so much in such a brief time.

Given Muslims have been continually told to denounce the extremists in their midst, I guess Christians should do likewise.

As an American Christian I do not agree with the actions being promoted here, especially towards our fellow Americans.

Goodnight to you all.

Michael.

Glad you dropped by.

Take care :)

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Since you're using one of my comments, I'll give a brief answer your question.

Not everyone in Iraq and Afghanistan are Muslim. And many are only muslim because they've been forced to be. If they deny Islam, well we all know what that means....Off with their head...or stoning to death, or hung... but never quickly, torture is another one of Islams actions they love.

You didn't want to get into side subjects, then why did you use comments off of bluesingincats abortion post?
Now I'm not sure what post that was on, but it doesn't matter.

Trying to drive a wedge between, say, me and Ben is a tactic that we will not fall prey too. That's a common liberal tactic.